New Life LIVE: August 5, 2026

Brian Perez: The microphone is on, the earbuds are in, the phone lines are working. We've got our pen and notepad ready to take notes. Now it's up to you to call in and ask your question. This is New Life LIVE. I'm Brian Perez, going to be in the studio for two hours today. 1-800-229-3000 is our number. In the studio with me today, I call this a studio, I should call it a lounge. The New Life Lounge, how's that? We've got Sherry Denham Keffer, she's a doctor of marriage and family therapy. We've also got Dr. Jackie Mac Harris, she's a licensed marriage and family therapist. Ladies, great to have you here today. Jackie, what's on your mind to start us off?
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: What's on my mind today is men and anxiety. I wrote a little something. I've been working with men for several years and I've been married almost 38 years. I've got a little bit of experience here. I find that men carry an extreme amount of anxiety, especially the kind of anxiety that develops when they feel responsible for everyone and everything around them. They become micromanagers. We tease men sometimes about mansplaining things to us. I'm learning that many men have been taught that strength means carrying the whole load. They believe solving every problem, preventing every mistake, and making sure everyone stays on track is their responsibility. When responsibility gets into over-responsibility and over-functioning, we see men carrying medical conditions that they don't have to carry, but that have this anxiety underpinning them. We're learning that when men feel as though they have to make sure that their adult children are doing all the right things, or that their partner is looking the way they're supposed to look, answering questions the way they should, or showing up in the way that they should, they maybe feel a little safer. They are taking on so much anxiety and not letting other people grow from their own natural consequences. They begin to micromanage, closely monitoring how people do things. They rob people of the opportunity to learn. I was having a conversation with someone the other day and I said natural consequences is the best teacher, and helicopter husbanding isn't teaching natural consequences. Then you're frustrated, exhausted, and overwhelmed from carrying this load. My husband said something the other day. He said he's a micromanager in recovery. I thought, I love that for you. I love that you get to have this part of your life be less intense with worry about what other people are going to do and how other people are going to make decisions. Micromanaging is not always about control or a lack of control. Sometimes it's just anxiety looking like leadership. I want to encourage men to take the mask of leadership off and just let people live. You don't have to carry the load for your adult children, for your partner, or even for your parents. So many men are stuck in that place of, "Well, I'm the protector-provider, so it's my responsibility to make sure everybody does everything right." It's unhealthy for the relationships with your children as well as with your partner. Some of the conflict that I deal with, that's where it's coming from.
Brian Perez: Do you think that's part of the reason why children aren't launching the way they should be nowadays?
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: I do. Helicopter parenting just tells the child, "I don't believe you can actually do it." So I'm going to make sure you do it right. If you've done that for 18 years of their life, no wonder they get to 18 and they're like an eight-year-old.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Sometimes I say on here that your behaviors are telling on you. I wonder how many of these gentlemen have the negative core belief that I'm a failure.
Brian Perez: We want to talk about that today. Guys or gals, call in. We'll be right back. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life LIVE. If you or someone you know is struggling, we want to let you know about Covenant Hills. For over 30 years, Covenant Hills has helped men and women find lasting freedom from addiction through Christ-centered, clinically excellent care. With gender-specific programs, they offer residential treatment, day treatment, and ongoing support that heals the whole person: body, mind, and spirit. Call them at 1-800-NO-ABUSE or visit the Covenant Hills website, covhills.com. If you want to talk to us today, we've got Dr. Sherry Denham Keffer and Dr. Jackie Mac Harris here at 1-800-229-3000. Let's go right to the phones. Anna in Fort Worth, Texas, listening on KWRD. Mark in Dallas, you'll be up next, so stand by. Go ahead, Anna. Thanks for calling in today.
Anna: Thank you so much for taking my call. I wanted to speak directly to Dr. Jackie Mac Harris. In July of 2026, I was listening to the radio and suddenly my attention came over to when she was talking about a friend of hers who was dealing with some severe allergies to scents. Even when they travel, they have to take separate rooms because her friend is sensitive to many perfumes and hair products. I thought she does not have to live that way the rest of her life because there is a method that exists right now. It is an allergy elimination system called NAET. It is a natural, non-invasive, drug-free method that uses muscle testing. It is usually done by chiropractors to desensitize the body of specific allergens. I personally have a doctor in the area. I live in Fort Worth and she's out of Denton, who has helped hundreds of people, including my own family members who have come from other parts of the country and have flown in to be treated. They are now living an allergy-free lifestyle that they can enjoy being around all types of scents without any issues. The word of God reminds us in Hosea that our people suffer for the lack of knowledge. Today, I really want to speak for my personal experience plus many others who have had tremendous results with using this. The practitioner that I go to is Dr. Paula and Jennifer Pollen at DeHart Chiropractic here in Denton, Texas. She's a great practitioner and has been doing this for many years and helping family and children.
Brian Perez: Did you say this is an allergy doctor and her name is Dr. Pollen?
Anna: Yes, can you believe that? What are the chances of God?
Brian Perez: Right, right. Well, Anna, thank you so much for that. I will definitely share this episode with my friend and hopefully they can make that connection. Thank you. Indeed, thank you so much for calling today. Now we're going to go to Mark in Dallas, who is also listening on KWRD. Mark called 1-800-229-3000 and you can call too. Go ahead, Mark. How can we help you today?
Mark: Thank you guys for what you do. I listen to you as often as I can. I'll get straight to the question and then we can backfill any information you may need. The difficulty we're having is my sister-in-law is an alcoholic. In the last six years, it has been total devastating to her immediate family and her extended family. I am married to her sister. She has one other sister. We are a very close family. She has just drunk her life away. Three rehabs failed, and then now a fourth one appears to be working. She's 90 days sober. We were told early on to try to convince her to get help, that if she got help, we would engage. Otherwise, we told her we weren't going to engage with her until she was at least 90 days sober. Well, now she is, so it's time to reintegrate her back into her family, our family unit. I'm trying to figure out the best way to do that with boundaries in place for her sake and for ours. My wife seems to be just really angry about the whole situation, so it's me more so trying to investigate how to do that.
Brian Perez: Your wife is angry that you're ready to bring her back into the family?
Mark: No, she's just angry at her sister for destroying the family. We traveled, the three sisters and their husbands and kids and her parents. Everybody traveled once a year on vacation and stayed in the same giant house. It's been a super tight family until this issue. For about five years, she has been estranged or purposely left out because of her choices. Now that she's doing well, I feel that we need to bring her back, but I don't really know the best way to do that.
Sherry Denham Keffer: How did you get the job of bringing her back?
Mark: I don't know. It was probably an assumed job since we told her we would not engage with her or work on a relationship with her until 90 days sober.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Does it feel like a commitment to you? I love your heart, but I'm going to back away from the goodness of your heart for a second to get really curious. Dr. Jackie opened up the show today talking about men and anxiety. It's so interesting how your wife is angry. Do you have any idea why she might be that angry? What's your best guess?
Mark: My wife is unusual in that anytime one of the kids got hurt, her first reaction was to get angry about why you did that, but then she would immediately switch to the mothering role. I don't know why she's that way.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Anger is a secondary emotion. It's not a primary emotion, it's secondary. What that means is that underneath anger is usually one of three things: it's hurt, fear, or sadness. If one of your kids does something and she gets angry, do you think it's hurt, fear, or sadness that she's really feeling?
Mark: I would say probably fear.
Sherry Denham Keffer: You're right. Good for you, Mark. You're figuring this out. If she's angry now at her sister because this is round four, what do you think your wife might be feeling towards her sister: hurt, fear, or sadness?
Mark: I would think probably a combination, but probably mainly a fear that this is going to go badly again.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Exactly. I want to give you a Sherlock Holmes award, emotional Sherlock, because I'm so proud of you right now. You're figuring this out. If your wife is fearful that her sister might fail again, my question to you is actually going into how you got this job of being the one that's responsible for bringing her sister back in at 90 days.
Mark: I would say again, it is because I told her that's what we would do. I'm following through with what I said. I'm also a responder, definitely. I was actually a first responder for many, many years, so fixing problems is what I did. I would do anything to help my sister-in-law succeed, and I feel just leaving her isolated and still detached from her family long-term isn't going to be productive. Eventually, that could be bad. She was married, but they're divorced now. They were for three or four years through the thing and finally he said he was done.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: Mark, can you tell me a little bit about your family? Are you guys a close-knit family, your immediate family? Do you have siblings?
Mark: Yes, I'm number 11 out of 11. I'm the youngest, and most are way older. Many have passed and many are spread out and don't live super close.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: When you were growing up, were they way older? Did you have them as playmates and friends or were you kind of isolated as the "Oh, we're having another baby" baby?
Mark: I was for sure an oops. I only remember living in the house with one of my sisters, who is five years older than me. Most of them were more like uncles and aunts.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: The reason I ask is I wonder if that's some of your need to help restore the family unit, to keep everyone close because that was something you really enjoyed and didn't have. The idea now of her being left out and isolated might be a little scary for you. I don't know if you heard my opener, but it was for you. I've just been encountering a lot of men who carry a burden for their family that is rooted in love, certainly, but it then weighs on the man to make things better for the family in sometimes ways that aren't their responsibility. I think here there is a conversation that can be had first with your wife. That would tell you which direction to go because maybe this is for her to fix, unless she may be comfortable with you making the connection for her. As I was saying earlier, oftentimes men take on responsibilities that are not their own to try to make things better, but then that prevents people from their natural consequences and from their own learning experiences. As you get older, you're bearing the weight of everybody's everything. Then he ends up with high blood pressure and heart disease and different things like that because he's carrying the burdens of other people's issues. It sounds like you have a heart for this family and you love the closeness and that was a unique experience and you want to get back to it. One, I'm going to say there's no going back. Whatever you guys do going forward is going to be new and different. If we try to go back to what we had in the past, we cannot do that without taking the good and the bad. We don't want the addiction, so we're not going back to what we had before. Going forward, everything is going to look different. The routines that you all had, we're not going to put those back into place. You have to come up with new ones because this is a new dynamic. I would maybe slow it down some. I know we're at the 90 days and so for some people time is exact. It's abstract for me, so I don't have that "Oh, it's 90 days" kind of tension. You might feel like you're being dishonest if you guys don't bring her right back in at 90 days. Have a conversation with your wife. I almost brought in a feelings wheel today. I wish I had, but I pulled one up and when you said anger, I saw all these other feelings that come off of there. Pull up a feelings wheel, sit down with your wife, get underneath what is she feeling and the why. Use the comfort circle from *How We Love* to have this conversation and see if you can't get underneath her concern. I think the reunion will go better.
Brian Perez: Look that up, Mark, and also get our book *How We Love* from the New Life store. Great resource. There's an article on newlife.com that might help you guys as well. It's called "Four Tough Love Tips: How to Help a Loved One with Alcohol or Drug Addiction." We know your sister-in-law is in recovery, but it might be good to read that. We'll be back on New Life LIVE. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life LIVE. If your and your spouse's relationship has been more combative than compatible lately, we really want to see you guys at the Intimacy and Marriage Workshop. The next one is happening in Dallas, September 26th is when it starts. Through expert teaching, counselor-led small groups, and personalized guidance, you'll gain practical tools to improve communication, rebuild trust, deepen emotional connection, and create a marriage that reflects God's design. Here's what Danny shared after attending: "Laura Mangin McDonald was so relatable and her and her husband showing us practical tools to build better connection through mirroring neurons was so impactful. We even came home and showed my parents how to do the comfort circle." So yeah, that's something that we teach there at the Intimacy and Marriage Workshop. If you and your spouse are feeling stuck in recurring conflict, disconnected, or simply want a deeper relationship, join us. It starts September 26th in Dallas. More details at newlife.com or call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. If you sign up right now, you'll get an early bird discount. Back to the phones. Here is David, another caller from Dallas, Texas. Lots of calls from Texas today. This is awesome. David, listening on KWRD. Hello, how can we help you?
David: Yes, thank you for taking my call. I appreciate it. My son's fiancée cheated on him for over a year. He discovered the information on the phone. He's back with her. He forgave her and all that, but my wife is not of the same situation. She thinks that she would just continue having that affair because she hasn't repented. They're not believers. My son grew up in the church, but he has strayed away from the church. Her mother claims she is very religious from my son's fiancée's mom. But the girl doesn't go to church, neither does my son. How do we handle this? I want to be supportive of my son, whatever decision he takes, which he's already back with her. But I also want to be supportive of my wife because my wife doesn't trust her. She doesn't want her back with my son's life.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: David, again, go back and listen to the opening of the show. I talked about men and taking on the burdens and the anxiety of the other adults in their life. It sounds like that's exactly what you're doing. I would have a conversation with your wife and use the comfort circle from *How We Love* and let her talk through what it is she is feeling. You don't have to fix this by making relational repairs. Being in conversation with her, being a safe place where she can talk through it, is what's important. There may be fears that she has, maybe she has had experiences with friends or family members where the affairs continued on. It may be a great fear of hers in her marriage. Was there ever any infidelity that she's maybe now being triggered about? Have a conversation with her because what your adult son does relationally is going to be what he does. That's really not you and your wife's role to fix. But you all have your own feelings about this. This is your son. You don't want to see him suffer and struggle. You want to be loving and supportive. That means you're going to feel this. The two of you should be talking with each other about your feelings, about your concerns, and trusting the Lord with your prayers about how you should move forward in relationship with your son. There will need to be some forgiveness and your wife may need to do some work and that might be a part of it. She may not feel like she can engage in relationship with this woman because now she doesn't trust her. But she's not in relationship with her, so she doesn't have what your son has with her, right? She doesn't have the same type of connection and time and attention and attunement. Of course it's easy for her to be like, "No, leave her alone, stay away from her, she's bad." She wasn't in love with her. I think you and your wife could have a really good conversation about where this is coming from.
Sherry Denham Keffer: David, I was wishing you and your wife were together because I would have your wife sit with us right now. But I am going to take a different direction and I want to dig a little more around your heart. I actually wrote a book called *Intimate Deception: Healing the Wounds of Sexual Betrayal*. Probably I would think one of my specialties is talking with people and families where cheating's a part of it, where there's infidelity. My first question to you, when I heard you say that I want to be supportive to my son, I kind of want to take one step back and ask you how do you feel about your son being with a young lady who's had a year-long affair? I'm going to call it an affair, even though they're not married yet, they're in an intimate partnership. They didn't decide to get together so there could be a revolving door. So it's a relational affair. How do you feel about that?
David: I don't like the idea that she betrayed my son. I never expected it from her because they've been together seven years and they have two children. But at the end of the day, it is my son's decision.
Sherry Denham Keffer: I'm going to slow you down only because I love the extra information you've given us. They've been together seven years, so definitely an affair, a year-long affair. They got two kiddos. What you told me was what you think. I want to know what do you feel? What's a feeling? It could be sad, mad, hurt, angry, disappointed, scared. What are you feeling?
David: Well, I feel angry, disappointed, because I never thought she would do that to my son. When I think about the future of my family and my son's future, I feel angry for what she did to him. She has two grandkids of mine, they're my son's, a son and a daughter. My wife is questioning now the little girl, if that's even my son's daughter.
Sherry Denham Keffer: It's a lot going on. Is that little daughter within a year old?
David: Yes, within a year old.
Sherry Denham Keffer: There's all kinds of tests that might be done, paternity tests. But this is the thing: I shared just a few minutes ago when we were talking with our other caller, anger is a secondary emotion. Underneath it there's usually one of three things or a combination: hurt, fear, or sadness. So when you say I feel angry, a vulnerable feeling would be hurt, fear, or sadness. Do any of those resonate?
David: Hurt.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Perfect. Now let me slow your family down for a second. We've got a family unit here and you guys are the grandparents. We have a year-long affair. It's so easy to want to bounce out of our feelings of hurt, to bounce out of anger, to bounce out of fear, in order to just make a quick decision about what to do with this relationship. Right now, I would say they're in critical, critical need of getting into do some deep therapy to begin to unpack what the infidelity was about. In my world, in the world of people that betray, people that act out, I don't see it as a time to forgive. I see it as a time to get safe. They need to get safe in a relationship with one another and they can't have safety without honesty. The very foundation, there's a pyramid called an intimacy pyramid by Rob Smith, a couple and Dan Drake. But it's a pyramid and the very bottom is honesty. Above that is safety. I think every betrayed partner, including your son, needs two things: they need safety and the truth. I think your son is bouncing out of his feelings just like you did. I don't mean that in a mean way, I'm just saying you were like, "Well, I want to support what he wants to do." Everyone slow the train down. We need to do an excavation. There needs to be some deep work to create stability because if they don't have a foundation of honesty, you can't have trust if you don't have honesty and safety. Do you see what I'm talking about? And we're often expected to forgive without those things. I'm not going to jump on anybody's bandwagon here other than the one place that I would highly and lovingly recommend, which is that you're afraid for them. I want you to look up that intimacy pyramid, I want you to have a conversation with your wife, and see if you can invite your son into a loving, caring, honest conversation about your concern. Show him that pyramid and see if you can be a part of the solution of maybe gifting them with some couples work. Intimacy and Marriage might be an amazing opportunity for them. We have lots of couples that come that have that going on. I'm a certified sex addiction therapist. I'm not saying she has a sex addiction or anything, but I've been trained to work with people where cheating is a thing. We do slow everything down so that we can begin to figure out what's underneath it. Because if you don't get to that, it could easily happen again. And that's not what you want, that's not what your wife wants, that's not what those kiddos need, and it's not what either partner needs. Does that make sense?
David: Yes, it does.
Brian Perez: The next one, I should have known this off the top of my head because I just talked about it a few minutes ago. September 25th is when it starts and it's in Dallas, Texas. Does your son and his fiancée live near you guys?
David: Yeah, they live here in the Dallas area.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Perfect. I want you to stay on the line, David, because we have some amazing New Life therapists in your area that we want to give you some resources for. When you're talking with your son, you can provide some possibilities. Sometimes I'll just tell people the best wedding gift you could give somebody is some therapy to help them figure it out.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: Have the conversation with your wife. Get underneath what it's about for her, what her anger is about for her. When you guys have the conversation with your son, the conversation is about him and not about her. You guys deal with your stuff so that you're not putting your stuff on him because then he won't be able to receive it because you're making it about you. You do have a stake in this, your grandkids and everything, but have the conversation you and your wife and prepare yourselves and then go together in conversation with your son and see if he can receive this is the support. These are the ways in which you can support him without taking the responsibility of what's going on in his life on for yourself.
Brian Perez: Sherry, you mentioned your book *Intimate Deception*. Would that help David's son or is that more for women?
Sherry Denham Keffer: I have guys that read that book. I see men, they do exactly what your son is doing. They minimize, they protect the one who's betrayed, they kind of go into denial really more quickly because they take on the shame that they bear as if I must be a failure, I did something wrong. And so they fight for her rather than just listening to themselves. Get a copy of my book *Intimate Deception: Healing the Wounds of Sexual Betrayal*. Your son might pick it up and he might learn some things about himself and it might help both of them.
Brian Perez: You can find that book in the newlife.com store. Women, if you've been impacted by betrayal, we have a weekend just for you. The next one is coming up in November, it's called Restore. You can find out about it at newlife.com. We're going to be here in the studio, in the lounge for another hour, so keep those calls a-coming. Terry, you'll be up next when we come back on New Life LIVE. 1-800-229-3000. Every day, we hear from people all over the world who are looking for hope. They've been lost in a relationship struggle, addiction, anxiety, depression, all kinds of ways. Wouldn't you love to be part of a rescue team? Don't miss your opportunity to be part of something that changes lives every single day because every one matters. Your generosity helps find them. We've seen God work in the lives of so many people over the years here at New Life and we want to invite you to be part of what God is doing. "99 for the One" is our partner program that you can give to the ministry on a monthly basis to make sure that we continue to reach out to the lost. Call 1-800-NEW-LIFE, 1-800-639-5433 or newlife.com/99for1. Join the mission: rescue the one and restore the many. To find out more information about New Life or to order any of the resources mentioned on today's program, call 1-800-NEW-LIFE. Now back to New Life LIVE. We're back on New Life LIVE. I'm your host Brian Perez, here with Dr. Jackie Mac Harris, Dr. Sherry Denham Keffer. We're going to be here in the studio for another hour. I often encourage you guys when you hear the calls that come in to pray for the people who call in, pray for their families. Another way that you can help us here at New Life is to support us financially. Yes, we're appreciative of the prayers you send our way or for the people who call into the show, but when people call in, hurting people calling in with their situation whatever it might be, we want to make sure there's people here answering the phones and able to offer the resources. We have so many resources available. In fact, if you can become a "99 for the One" partner, that's our monthly giving community that's created to help us reach the one who's still searching for hope. Your faithful support helps assure that our phones are answered and that help is available when desperate calls are made each day to New Life. Now, if you are already a "99 for the One" partner or you become one in the next few days, make sure you register for the "99 for the One" partner Zoom. That's happening on Tuesday, the 11th at 7:00 PM Central Time. Becky Brown will be providing ministry updates and Dr. Alice Benton will be speaking about the challenges of living in a screen-saturated world. You'll be able to ask questions about the ministry. If you don't have the email that's got the registration link on it, you can call us back and we'll sign you up. Again, that's for "99 for the One" partners happening this coming Tuesday. Back to the phones. Here is Terry in Texas. Look at all these calls from Texas. Come on guys: Connecticut, California, Colorado, Tennessee, Florida, want to hear from you guys. We're going to be here for another hour, so call in. Terry, hi. What's going on?
Terry: Hello. I was going to see if y'all could help me with a question about how do you find a job after you've lost your job?
Brian Perez: How long ago did this happen, Terry?
Terry: June of this year.
Brian Perez: June, so a couple of months now. And you've put in applications, sent out resumes? What's the situation?
Terry: Yeah, I've been doing that stuff, yeah.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: Had you worked there for a while, Terry? How long had you been at that job?
Terry: 17 months.
Sherry Denham Keffer: We are really sorry about the loss of your job. It's very scary. I imagine there's a lot of hurt, maybe confusion, kind of trying to figure out what happened. Have you been thinking any of those thoughts?
Terry: I don't know what those people were about over there really.
Brian Perez: Well, we don't have to say the name of the place, but go ahead.
Sherry Denham Keffer: But you're like, "I don't know what happened and why I was let go"?
Terry: Yeah.
Sherry Denham Keffer: Dr. Jackie came on the show today and I don't know if you heard the beginning, but she was talking about men and anxiety. I think about how much anxiety you must be feeling right now having been let go from a job. I mentioned to Jackie and we were just talking like that negative belief sometimes that gets wired into men is that "I'm a failure," like I've failed, something is really wrong with me.
Terry: Well, I'm kind of over that part. I'm just kind of having a hard time dealing with trying to find another job. That's what's bothering me right now.
Sherry Denham Keffer: I get that. But you know what's happening? You're not doing the excavating, my friend, around what happened right before you lost your job. Because it's really easy when we lose a job and we don't know why we lost the job to take on the role of a victim, which is "I'm powerless, I'm helpless, it's not fair, it's not my fault, I'm stuck, there's nothing I can do about it." And when we're in that place, and all of us, hello, my name is Dr. Sherry and I get into that place too, I think we all get into that place when something tragic happens. But if we don't do the excavating about what happened right before, what were the things that were going on before we were let go, and we take on the victim role, you know what we're actually looking for?
Terry: No.
Sherry Denham Keffer: We're looking for someone to save us instead of looking at what we need to do to figure out what happened.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: I'm wondering, Terry, have you had many jobs over your lifetime?
Terry: I've had several jobs over my lifetime, yes. The other job I had before this one, I worked there for 19 years and some person came along and offered to buy the company from the owner and there went everybody's job.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: I'm listening to what Dr. Sherry is saying and I'm wondering if that's connecting with you. How do you feel about taking a step back and looking at yourself and looking at what about me, what control or say do I have in what goes on next in my life? What happened before I was let go? What were the circumstances? What was the behavior? If you can excavate some of that, if you can dig in and figure out what kind of frame of mind was I in in those last days and months on that job, maybe you can get an understanding of how you're being perceived, how you're showing up in the world. That may be impacting how others are experiencing you and that may be impacting whether or not people are choosing you for whatever the position is I might be applying for. Does that make sense?
Terry: Yeah.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: Were you surprised? Were you blindsided? Had there been a conversation? Do you have a sense of why you were let go?
Terry: They claimed that I wasn't cleaning the building very good is what they said.
Dr. Jackie Mac Harris: Now, can you look at that and see some areas of growth for yourself where were you to take this kind of job again in the future, you could do some things differently?
Terry: It was a second-shift job working at night cleaning the entire school that was very fast-paced job. I just couldn't keep up with it, it was too much.
Sherry Denham Keffer: But just because it was too much doesn't mean that there's something wrong with you. I want you to hear that. Terry, the fact that you held down a 19-year job at a company, it just broke my heart when you told us that somebody bought them out and you were let go. You have the ability to be loyal, to be a really good employee, to work hard. You have staying power. You have all of that. But that day was a traumatic loss for you. That was a trauma event. Getting this new job and then being told that could be another trauma. Terry, thank you for calling us today here on New Life LIVE. We've run out of time, but we're going to be here for another hour, so keep calling in. 1-800-229-3000.
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